The clothing does not really bother me. Not even sure the cupcaske bra is that suggestive - have you seen seen the suggestive bras in target lately? I think the problem people have with the bra is that it seems like this SP is marketed towards a demographic slightly younger then the T rating (but we know tweens like to buy T rated games because it makes then feel older and EA worked hard for that T rating) and so the clothing is a bit more mature then it needs to be for this SP. I think the other clothing issue is that they could have given kids and toddler clothing that this SP sort of screams for given the content and the playground. Of course toddler and kids clothing does not sell to tweens.

The other issue is that given the marketing blitz about a super stuff pack they could have filled out the clothing count with new meshes for all the clothing, not count 5 dresses as new content when the mesh is the same and just the pattern changes (an the pattern counts as content too) so you end up with a count of 10 items there when there are really only 1 mesh plus 5 patterns.

That and a very limited selection of men's items , I think a pair of pants and a shirt or maybe it was one outfit but they certainly had more they could do for men for this SP. I think some of the clothing rates 'trashy' but that has never been a downside to sims clothing before, but again I think that the obvious marketing to a younger demographic has some people wondering if its wrong to attract tweens to trashy clothing or to attract with other content and expose to trash.

Actually some of the clothing is what appeals to me the most but I am not paying 29.99 for a few dresses endorsed by Katy Perry. Had this been a regular priced SP I probably would buy it for a few clothes I liked but I don't believe her endorsement is worth 10.00 to me.

Master Suite Stuff included pajamas. My Sims don't wear those items as everyday clothes. I suppose if a Sim were inappropriate they might, but I have yet to see a Sim walking around with the lingerie from Master Suite. I don't see how the trashy clothing in Sweet Treats compares to the the revealing and sexy pajamas that Sims wear in their own bedrooms.

Also, I don't see a cupcake bras with cherry’s provocatively placed, as humorous. And I actually do have a sense of humor……

MotayJones77 wrote:

thesimdeej33 wrote:Honestly, if you cant say you know one of her songs, all I can say you must be hiding under a rock. Every one and any one knows her music even if you dont sit their watching music videos every day. Constant radio and tv ads show you Katy perry and her music all the time.

Saying that everyone and any one knows her music is implying that you're a nobody if you don't. I had never heard of Katy Perry until EA decided to insert her into the game. I don't listen to pop music or the radio and I avoid television commercials like the plague. I certainly don't live under a rock and probably have been exposed to more than you can imagine. Your comment was one of the most insulting I've seen on the forums.

Eloquently stated, and I agree with you emphatically Motay.

I avoid "pop" culture for what I consider to have more breadth and depth. I am well read and I too have led a diverse and rich life to date. To insult me because I didn't know who Katy Perry was, nor did I care to know, is ludicrous.

She is a meme I could have lived my entire life without knowing, and been fine for it.

Whimsical and fun? I'm not opposed to a candyland theme, a candy store, or any number of things that the stuff pack seems to pretend to be suggesting it *wants to be*.

But others have already said it more succinctly -- EA has failed to convince me it's worth what they are asking for it. Stormwench has done a great service to point out how it's *not* new content but reskinned. I would be happy to pay for some of it at store prices.

I would have rather seen a stuff pack, the effort and time (development, marketing) invested in something that could have brought the community closer together and the game forward as a whole, rather than been so divisive.

And while I am fine with mature content being in the game, I don't have one problem with EA skirting the teen rating with mature-ish content, since I'm an adult and a pure-kiddie game would drive me off, I'm not here to play Hello Kitty Adventure Island--I find the cupcake bras and cherry whatnots trashy. There is a difference between seductive, alluring or just plain attractive (in my opinion) and over the top costume wear that just does not have a place in how I play the game.

Others have already pointed out that it's fine for EA to claim that we can recolor the garments, but if we only have four slots to recolor (even if some of those slots could hold complex patterns) what are we going to be left with that we can't recolor away?

I too would have been more inclined to purchase if the SP had clothing for toddlers/children, more on theme, and had been targeted at a broader demographic than the one it *is* obviously targeted at.

khynnea wrote:Eloquently stated, and I agree with you emphatically Motay.

I avoid "pop" culture for what I consider to have more breadth and depth. I am well read and I too have led a diverse and rich life to date. To insult me because I didn't know who Katy Perry was, nor did I care to know, is ludicrous.

She is a meme I could have lived my entire life without knowing, and been fine for it.

Out of curiosity, what do you think of those of us who like her? Trashy and uneducated? Or would you agree it's possible to like a wide variety of things? To be well read and like Katy Perry?

I understand why you said what you said and agree that you shouldn't be insulted for not knowing who she is. But likewise I don't think it was fair to (however subtly) insult her and her fans because one insulted you.

khynnea wrote:But others have already said it more succinctly -- EA has failed to convince me it's worth what they are asking for it. Stormwench has done a great service to point out how it's *not* new content but reskinned. I would be happy to pay for some of it at store prices.

I agree, and plan to wait for it to go down in price. Unless they really impress me with the next walkthrough. Doubtful, but not out of the realm of possibility.

khynnea wrote:I would have rather seen a stuff pack, the effort and time (development, marketing) invested in something that could have brought the community closer together and the game forward as a whole, rather than been so divisive.

I can't think of anything that would have done that. There would still be people complaining no matter what they brought out.

khynnea wrote:And while I am fine with mature content being in the game, I don't have one problem with EA skirting the teen rating with mature-ish content, since I'm an adult and a pure-kiddie game would drive me off, I'm not here to play Hello Kitty Adventure Island--I find the cupcake bras and cherry whatnots trashy. There is a difference between seductive, alluring or just plain attractive (in my opinion) and over the top costume wear that just does not have a place in how I play the game.

I wonder if seeing the outfits in their original context is why I don't find them trashy. I've always argued that I don't think any of the California Gurls PV was meant to be sexy, it was suppose to be ridiculous; very tongue in cheek. I found it funny.
I'm still not sure, however, that that particular costume will translate well into the game. Actually, after seeing the Live Chat I really don't think it does and probably would never use it.
Some of the other outfits look stunning though. The "Jessica Rabbit" dress, for example.

To be more exact, I don't really think that the clothes are trashy as in too provocative. I think the better word would probably have been "tacky". Unless I saw my seventeen year old step daughter in it. Then I'm sure I could think of a whole bunch of other words.

Allspice1232 wrote:

khynnea wrote:And while I am fine with mature content being in the game, I don't have one problem with EA skirting the teen rating with mature-ish content, since I'm an adult and a pure-kiddie game would drive me off, I'm not here to play Hello Kitty Adventure Island--I find the cupcake bras and cherry whatnots trashy. There is a difference between seductive, alluring or just plain attractive (in my opinion) and over the top costume wear that just does not have a place in how I play the game.

I wonder if seeing the outfits in their original context is why I don't find them trashy. I've always argued that I don't think any of the California Gurls PV was meant to be sexy, it was suppose to be ridiculous; very tongue in cheek. I found it funny.
I'm still not sure, however, that that particular costume will translate well into the game. Actually, after seeing the Live Chat I really don't think it does and probably would never use it.
Some of the other outfits look stunning though. The "Jessica Rabbit" dress, for example.

The problem is that EA is twisting the whole thing a bit. The obvious marketing is for the 'tweens' which is essentially younger then the T rating. EA wanted a T rating and worked hard to get it because they did not want to be seen as a kids game (that does not sell) and hoped that they would pick up on 'tweens' who like the T rating just like those under 17 drool to get into R rated movies. This is the demographic they are pushing for - the demographic that they attract with Sims Social more then TS3 and that's where the pink bubblegum decor and furniture comes. Most of that age group probably has not seen the clothing in the videos and do't get the adult 'tongue in cheek' joking around about it. They see clothing like this as 'adult' clothing and it attracts too. Its not our job to police the teen rating so if they get the game that's up to parents but what is EA saying to the demographic they want money from?

Why, when this SP literally screams to more mature players the need for kid and toddler clothing to go along with the theme, but what 'tween' is attracted to clothing they would wear? So it was left out as was most men's clothing as its can't really be suggestive and attractive to the age group.

While there are some dresses I like I am sad that the clothing is so limited and to make the mega stuff pack seemed stuff they have done things like 5 dresses all the same mesh but different patterns applied, which is not 4 new dresses but could have been. If they did not come up with enough women's clothing to fill all the places why not some men's or kids? I really don't need more women's clothing to be honest with the ones I have gotten in the EP, SP and store stuff I have bought most of this is not much different from what I already have so while they are good ideas for colors and patterns they are not necessities to add to the game. Plus my sims are not impressed with the idea of dressing like Katy Perry. I know, they have told me.

stormwench wrote:The problem is that EA is twisting the whole thing a bit. The obvious marketing is for the 'tweens' which is essentially younger then the T rating. EA wanted a T rating and worked hard to get it because they did not want to be seen as a kids game (that does not sell) and hoped that they would pick up on 'tweens' who like the T rating just like those under 17 drool to get into R rated movies. This is the demographic they are pushing for - the demographic that they attract with Sims Social more then TS3 and that's where the pink bubblegum decor and furniture comes. Most of that age group probably has not seen the clothing in the videos and do't get the adult 'tongue in cheek' joking around about it. They see clothing like this as 'adult' clothing and it attracts too. Its not our job to police the teen rating so if they get the game that's up to parents but what is EA saying to the demographic they want money from?

It actually comes from Katy Perry, it's her theme. And although tweens listen to her, I don't think they are her main demographic. I think her main listeners fall a little older than that, mid teens to early twenties.

stormwench wrote:Why, when this SP literally screams to more mature players the need for kid and toddler clothing to go along with the theme, but what 'tween' is attracted to clothing they would wear? So it was left out as was most men's clothing as its can't really be suggestive and attractive to the age group.

They explained it as a Katy Perry SP, which is supported by the fact that all the outfits they have shown thus far are things she has worn. Honestly, I wouldn't want my child and toddler sims dressed like Katy Perry.
Could they have added toddler and children clothes that fit the candy theme but are something she's worn? Yeah, and I would have liked that, but I understand why they didn't.

khynnea wrote:

MotayJones77 wrote:

thesimdeej33 wrote:Honestly, if you cant say you know one of her songs, all I can say you must be hiding under a rock. Every one and any one knows her music even if you dont sit their watching music videos every day. Constant radio and tv ads show you Katy perry and her music all the time.

Saying that everyone and any one knows her music is implying that you're a nobody if you don't. I had never heard of Katy Perry until EA decided to insert her into the game. I don't listen to pop music or the radio and I avoid television commercials like the plague. I certainly don't live under a rock and probably have been exposed to more than you can imagine. Your comment was one of the most insulting I've seen on the forums.

Eloquently stated, and I agree with you emphatically Motay.

I avoid "pop" culture for what I consider to have more breadth and depth. I am well read and I too have led a diverse and rich life to date. To insult me because I didn't know who Katy Perry was, nor did I care to know, is ludicrous.

She is a meme I could have lived my entire life without knowing, and been fine for it.

Whimsical and fun? I'm not opposed to a candyland theme, a candy store, or any number of things that the stuff pack seems to pretend to be suggesting it *wants to be*.

But others have already said it more succinctly -- EA has failed to convince me it's worth what they are asking for it. Stormwench has done a great service to point out how it's *not* new content but reskinned. I would be happy to pay for some of it at store prices.

I would have rather seen a stuff pack, the effort and time (development, marketing) invested in something that could have brought the community closer together and the game forward as a whole, rather than been so divisive.

And while I am fine with mature content being in the game, I don't have one problem with EA skirting the teen rating with mature-ish content, since I'm an adult and a pure-kiddie game would drive me off, I'm not here to play Hello Kitty Adventure Island--I find the cupcake bras and cherry whatnots trashy. There is a difference between seductive, alluring or just plain attractive (in my opinion) and over the top costume wear that just does not have a place in how I play the game.

Others have already pointed out that it's fine for EA to claim that we can recolor the garments, but if we only have four slots to recolor (even if some of those slots could hold complex patterns) what are we going to be left with that we can't recolor away?

I too would have been more inclined to purchase if the SP had clothing for toddlers/children, more on theme, and had been targeted at a broader demographic than the one it *is* obviously targeted at.

I agree with that, and a few others who were quite eloquent in their lack of regards for this stuff pack. From everybody else all I see is the same thing they could cut and paste from one expansion or stuff pack thread to another and can be summed up this way. "We will buy any expansion or Stuff Pack of the Sims regardless of what is in it or who is on the cover." So paying Katy Perry is pretty much a waste of money and effort for this bunch and turned off everybody else. Not that I'm knocking that. Do your thing. Heck, some people collect dust bunnies and everybody has their own bag.

Allspice1232 wrote:Out of curiosity, what do you think of those of us who like her? Trashy and uneducated? Or would you agree it's possible to like a wide variety of things? To be well read and like Katy Perry?

Yup. It of course is possible. Music is something that speaks to a person's soul, and I don't dispute that someone can like a wide and varied set of music and be well-read and brilliant and a great person, worth knowing, and like all sorts of things. I don't have a problem with diversity. I don't have a problem with fun. I have exceptionally eclectic tastes in music. In fact, I acknowledge that if singing did have to have an audio-component, I'm content with what we got in Showtime. It's not sterling praise for the singing, but it's not offensive, some of it's fun even, until I've heard it a hundred times and then being yelled at to turn it off because I'm earning 20k in tips

Be careful not to mix and match what I say about the attire specifically and taking personal exception to being insulted simply because I don't follow a crowd. In saying this there is no implicit or explicit "dis'ing" of those who do follow a crowd. Everyone is responsible for their choices, and entitled to the benefits and complications of said choices. I take people at face value and for what they say and do, not what people say about them or who their favorite musicians are.

I hope that's clear.

The difference between tacky and trashy is a purely personal perception. And in a way it's contextual for me. Look at it this way:

Suppose I have a new game. Suppose I have the KPSP installed. Suppose I got it because I DO like the sandbox, the fountain, some dresses, some content, and it was a gift (heh) or really cheaply marked down.

I'm playing... and playing... and then there are townies running around in dresses that I just would rather not see in the context of the game I am playing. I have to use a mod to make them stop. I don't want to have to.

As it is now, I already see townies wearing things that I don't want them wearing. I don't want to have to uninstall the Mrs. Frankenstein hair style in order to keep the paparazzi lady in front of my house from wearing it. But there she is, wearing it. Next she'll be in the cupcake dress WITH that hair.

I can't ultimately always control when I see the content. The RNG will dress sims how it sees fit. Are there workarounds? Sure. Do I want to have to do it? No.

Also the difference between using trashy and tacky for me comes out of knowing *who* the targeted demographic is. I can't help but have that overlay of reality hanging down on my head knowing that EA is marketing this to a specific subset of people. Yes, it's my own opinion. Yes, it sours the experience for me. My perceptive and cognitive filters are just that. Is it my choice? Yes. Do I have control over when to apply them and when not to? Sure, some of the time. Could I now? Probably, but I do not personally feel EA deserves it.

No, it doesn't sour it for everyone, and EA believes strongly enough that they are making the right decisions that they will make money hand over fist even if they don't get money from me. *shrug* That's capitalism in action. All I can do is voice my opinion and choose not to buy.

No, I didn't want a cupcake dress for a child I wanted some of the in-theme stuff geared towards the under-represented groups as clothing and hair go. I may not write it as clearly but I do agree with what Stormwench is saying in her posts.

Allspice1232 wrote:I can't think of anything that would have done that. There would still be people complaining no matter what they brought out.

I have to concur. EA would never be able to find a EP or SP that everyone will be happy with. The next EP, for example, if it's magic will thrill some, and if it doesn't have seasons will irk others, or if it does and it doesn't do justice to magic in order to include seasons will irk yet others. I get it.

I can't say if there would be more or fewer complaining, I didn't see the numbers on the last SP. Wasn't reading the forums.

Am I complaining? Yup. I'm disappointed and annoyed with EA, but I've been anything but terse about the reasons.

Allspice1232 wrote:I wonder if seeing the outfits in their original context is why I don't find them trashy. I've always argued that I don't think any of the California Gurls PV was meant to be sexy, it was suppose to be ridiculous; very tongue in cheek. I found it funny.
I'm still not sure, however, that that particular costume will translate well into the game. Actually, after seeing the Live Chat I really don't think it does and probably would never use it.
Some of the other outfits look stunning though. The "Jessica Rabbit" dress, for example.

No, in the *video* I did not find them trashy. I watched the video and enjoyed it as entertainment. Surprised?

However, I think you express it well -- I agree, and I don't think I need to see it in action to find out, I don't think it will "translate well into the game."

Now -- if you would never use it... and I wouldn't (not even as a singer costume for a career) that's one less piece of "new" content in the SP. It *devalues* the SP further for me.

I don't dispute that some of the dresses are stunning. I'm just disappointed. They (EA) could have done so much more with this idea, with or without the "celebrity endorsement" to give us value for our money and to make the game more fun for more players.

stormwench wrote:Plus my sims are not impressed with the idea of dressing like Katy Perry. I know, they have told me.

The horror of townies with KP hair.


I wish we had a way to rate our hair/clothes content so that we could control how likely it was that the RNG would pluck something out and use it on an arbitrary sim or during birthdays.

I don't need bad CC to have deformed sims any more. They can wear KP hair and run around with swimming flippers in their formal wear.

taffy87 wrote: So, to set the record straight, a lot of people are not bashing this SP because of Katy Perry; Instead their opinion of her is lowered by this SP.

I agree with you on this. Actually I had nothing against KP, now I am starting to dislike her because of this

thesimdeej33 wrote:Honestly, if you cant say you know one of her songs, all I can say you must be hiding under a rock. Every one and any one knows her music even if you dont sit their watching music videos every day. Constant radio and tv ads show you Katy perry and her music all the time.

Oh yes, my dad totally enjoys being a nobody living under a rock. It's so much fun. Especially how we don't even know who sings any of the songs we hear half the time. Thank you for insulting my family, it's much appreciated.

As for the stuff pack, yes, I hate the content. I know it's Katy Perry themed, but I'm fairly sure she doesn't live in a giant cupcake. It might be fun, but no.

khynnea wrote:

Allspice1232 wrote:Out of curiosity, what do you think of those of us who like her? Trashy and uneducated? Or would you agree it's possible to like a wide variety of things? To be well read and like Katy Perry?

As it is now, I already see townies wearing things that I don't want them wearing. I don't want to have to uninstall the Mrs. Frankenstein hair style in order to keep the paparazzi lady in front of my house from wearing it. But there she is, wearing it. Next she'll be in the cupcake dress WITH that hair.

I can't ultimately always control when I see the content. The RNG will dress sims how it sees fit. Are there workarounds? Sure. Do I want to have to do it? No.

That frankenstein hair, the Jessica Rabbit dress and the pirate boots (if you happen to have the bucaneer bounty). Doesn't that conjour up a delight for the imagination :S

From everybody else all I see is the same thing they could cut and paste from one expansion or stuff pack thread to another and can be summed up this way. "We will buy any expansion or Stuff Pack of the Sims regardless of what is in it or who is on the cover."

Complete and total BS!

I for example love sweet treats. But I have hated other stuff packs. I refused to buy them. I finally did get 1 of them free with showtime. I have it installed, but there is nothing in it that I have used so far. So I am thinking of uninstalling it.

It is the same way with the sims 3 store. There are tons of things that I totally hate and would never buy.

Not all of us who like sweet treats are mindless sheep that buy everything that EA puts out. Some of us just actually like the theme.

Agree with the OP. I have no issues with Katy Perry, she and Dr Luke made some amazing songs in the past years!

But to be frank, most of this SP's items were inspired by one of her video's props and her tour. Because even she wouldn't wear something this ridiculous outside. But I feel like that's the only place where my sims would be able to utilize this stuff: on the stage. And therefore I don't need this many items.

I know some people are in favor of unusual stuff and they are bored of the same old same old but I'm not one of those people and I want normal items from this world.