catloverplayer wrote:

heidi11576 wrote:I love it and some of her songs are good..and I think her style in general is original and fun..a little off the wall yes but ordinary is boring

This

Ordinary gets boring sometimes. We need something different to spice up the game and if different is a candyland theme so be it.

I get tired of ordinary. Why not throw in some fantasy. About KP's clothes I love them because those are what she wears in real life.

I wish they would have added more of her music to this stuff pack then just one song. Also it's too bad TGIF won't be able to be heard on jukeboxes as jukeboxes have a limited amount of formats and the one this song is under isn't one of them.

Sorry this made me laugh so much but i just had to comment . This clothing is not what she wears in REAL life its what she wears on stage . Which is when she dresses up and puts on a performance for her fans . real life is what she wears everday which if you see photos of her is usually jeans etc

taffy87 wrote:There are a lot of simmers who seem to think that this SP would be more popular if Katy Perry was not endorsing it. And for some people, that may be true. But there are also a lot of people like me. I am 31 years old, with two young children and a couple of (awesome) stepkids to raise. I don't listen to Katy Perry, and I probably couldn't pick her out of a crowd. I couldn't tell you one song this woman sings. Basically, untill she got involved with the Sims franchise, I had NO opinion of this woman. So her endorsement has no bearing on my opinion of this SP. Then I saw the pictures of the content in Sweet Treats. Now I definately have an opinion of her, and, frankly, it is NOT a good one. Most of the clothes are just trashy, and the only person in my home that likes the furniture is my four year old daughter. I think this content was much better suited to the store.

So, to set the record straight, a lot of people are not bashing this SP because of Katy Perry; Instead their opinion of her is lowered by this SP.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

khynnea wrote:

Allspice1232 wrote:Out of curiosity, what do you think of those of us who like her? Trashy and uneducated? Or would you agree it's possible to like a wide variety of things? To be well read and like Katy Perry?

Yup. It of course is possible. Music is something that speaks to a person's soul, and I don't dispute that someone can like a wide and varied set of music and be well-read and brilliant and a great person, worth knowing, and like all sorts of things. I don't have a problem with diversity. I don't have a problem with fun. I have exceptionally eclectic tastes in music. In fact, I acknowledge that if singing did have to have an audio-component, I'm content with what we got in Showtime. It's not sterling praise for the singing, but it's not offensive, some of it's fun even, until I've heard it a hundred times and then being yelled at to turn it off because I'm earning 20k in tips

Be careful not to mix and match what I say about the attire specifically and taking personal exception to being insulted simply because I don't follow a crowd. In saying this there is no implicit or explicit "dis'ing" of those who do follow a crowd. Everyone is responsible for their choices, and entitled to the benefits and complications of said choices. I take people at face value and for what they say and do, not what people say about them or who their favorite musicians are.

I hope that's clear.

I apologize for being snippy. I get a lot of crap for having pop artists on my iPod and it kinda gets to me after a while. It isn't all I listen to but it's all anyone ever comments on.

Allspice1232 wrote:I apologize for being snippy. I get a lot of crap for having pop artists on my iPod and it kinda gets to me after a while. It isn't all I listen to but it's all anyone ever comments on.

Text is a harsh medium for me. I fail on "tone of voice" sometimes when I'm trying to be plain spoken. Also sarcasm can elude me. Dangerous huh!

But as for music, most of what I consider favorite bands to this day I did not discover myself, they were "gifts" from friends. Things I never in a million years would have considered listening to or buying, and one day someone played something for me or brought something over while visiting. Then I had to go acquire the whole compilation. So this would not be me. More likely I'd be borrowing the things I liked.

Plenty of it would have been considered popular at the time. I just don't listen to the radio or watch commercial tv while ads are on

It seems to me that it would really suit EA better to start taking actual votes on specific EPs, SPs and store items before even starting to work on them. Maybe they'll actually get an idea of what the majority or simmers want.

The good thing about this is that there would be no bad or unwanted surprises.

The bad thing is that there would be no surprises at all, even good ones.

happyjme wrote:It seems to me that it would really suit EA better to start taking actual votes on specific EPs, SPs and store items before even starting to work on them. Maybe they'll actually get an idea of what the majority or simmers want.

The good thing about this is that there is no bad or unwanted surprises.

The bad thing is that would be no supprises at all, even good ones.

You do realize that it takes years to make an expansion pack. It takes at least a 14+ months to make a stuff pack. This isn't coming from me, this is coming straight from EA.

Things that are coming out now have been worked on for at least 2 years. Taking a poll about what what should be released is not going to work. Not unless you want to wait 2 years for every expansion pack.

piddlesim wrote:

happyjme wrote:It seems to me that it would really suit EA better to start taking actual votes on specific EPs, SPs and store items before even starting to work on them. Maybe they'll actually get an idea of what the majority or simmers want.

The good thing about this is that there is no bad or unwanted surprises.

The bad thing is that would be no supprises at all, even good ones.

You do realize that it takes years to make an expansion pack. It takes at least a 14+ months to make a stuff pack. This isn't coming from me, this is coming straight from EA.

Things that are coming out now have been worked on for at least 2 years. Taking a poll about what what should be released is not going to work. Not unless you want to wait 2 years for every expansion pack.

Not to mention they shouldn't listen to everything fans want. They should take their opinions in consideration yes, but overall fans don't know how the code works, they don't know what is practical and why something they want wouldn't work. If something won the poll and the Gurus simply couldn't get it to work, that's a lot of time wasted and money lost. Not to mention a lot of disappointed fans when they are told they aren't getting what they wanted.

What I find really really comical is that there was a poll from EA in 2010 asking about various themes.

What won the poll.... a candy themed furniture pack.

piddlesim wrote:What I find really really comical is that there was a poll from EA in 2010 asking about various themes.

What won the poll.... a candy themed furniture pack.

Really? Do you have a link? ::wants to see::

Im not saying they simply ask fans "what do you want to see in the next EP/SP" more like "Would you like to see a SP with a candyland theme endorsed by Katy Perry?" or "Would you like us to make an EP with a) magic or b) weather.

6 monthes is certainly a short enough time to ask us, 6 monthes in advance, if we we want to see either this or that for the next SP. I think even if it does take two years to make an EP, by this state in the game, players will definitely know what they want to see in a future EP, and while having a suggestion forum is nice and all, it does leave to a lot of opportunity for every and any type of suggestion people can come up with. A vote on 2 or 3 specific things is much more practical.

But seeing as how you say EA already starts working on an EP two years before they even talk about it to the public, there is absolutly not point whats so ever in asking us our opinions because they will have already decided two years previously what they were going to make in the next 4 upcoming EPs. Since 2 EPs are released a year...

So in other words, if people really want weather, they better hope EA has already decided on adding it since all the EPs have been decided by now

rally? trashy?no. i will not buy it bcause shes in it, but some of the clothes are really cute, so i like the clothes, they just dont need cupcakes.

piddlesim wrote:

happyjme wrote:It seems to me that it would really suit EA better to start taking actual votes on specific EPs, SPs and store items before even starting to work on them. Maybe they'll actually get an idea of what the majority or simmers want.

The good thing about this is that there is no bad or unwanted surprises.

The bad thing is that would be no supprises at all, even good ones.

You do realize that it takes years to make an expansion pack. It takes at least a 14+ months to make a stuff pack. This isn't coming from me, this is coming straight from EA.

Things that are coming out now have been worked on for at least 2 years. Taking a poll about what what should be released is not going to work. Not unless you want to wait 2 years for every expansion pack.

I think your math is a bit off considering how the guru's explained how the teams worked. What you may have it confused with is the fact that to code the EP's at least so they are preparing for EP's that will be coming in the future, plans for what they will be and how they will work is design information they do several years ahead. Actual work takes a lot shorter time. But that is also why there are limited releases and they stagger EP and SP releases.

Its pretty obvious, after the Live Chat, and how little they admired was game ready for the demo that they had not put much work into it at that point, so they had not been working on this for 14 months - heck it did not look like they had worked on it for more then 4 weeks. Since it has been less then 4 weeks to complete the SP since the Live Chat I think 4 weeks woad be generous for the time they worked on the few items ready to show.

True that they know years in advance, at least for EPs, what will be the upcoming EPs and in what order but I doubt work starts on an new EP until after they go gold with the current EP to be released. The SP team probably has less advanced plans as to what the next SP would be but normally they do seem to be working on it from the time they release one through when the next one is sent out to the publisher.

I would say the store team probably had less time ahead that they have planned out which sets would be released when, and may have a few going at once and that could determined even which is released when.

Its one thing to have plans to do an EP in the futures, or an SP for that matter and you can still listen to what people are saying about what they would like to see if "a pets is done' or ' a season is done' and so on.

I think what you are haring from people is that when this SP was poorly received to start with and they did their 'emergency Live Chat' for damage control they exposed the fact that very little had been completed and there was time where things could be done that could make a difference in how people felt about this SP.

Whats the point to open a discussion form months before a release if they don't want to hear what people say? If its true that everything is done years before they announce it then why gather feedback and just open the forum on release day. Someone obviously thinks the feedback might be worth hearing. It may have backfired this time since the majority of this forum are not gushing over the KPST, and usually its a majority supporting releases. They spend the entire Live Chat trying to convince everyone that they were being supported 100% and there were no negative comments - and certainly did not let any negative ones in the chat.

But if this SP had been started 14 months ago then they would have had to have finished much more then the few things they showed us on the Live Chat and if it took that long it would never have been finished by now or at least for the May Live Chat.

Ok, I refuse to believe that it would take 14months to make a stuff pack which is nothing but a re-mesh of a few items and some buildings that we could have done ourselves. I've seen CC creators ( some from EA's buddy site T$R) re mesh stuff in 2 days. So for them to be working on a team I would except a month or 2, not 14+.

Thanks storm for saying what I was trying to say (rather sarcastically). lol I do agree with your logic.
By the way, I wonder how many negative comments they actually were getting!

Generally it's a year to a year and a half for expansions. Stuff packs don't take much time at all as again their remeshes the coding for them are already in game. So we're talking a about developement that takes about 6 months to maybe 4 months time. I'm going to bet majority of time is spent on expansions. I can tell you now if an expansion was to every take longer than 2 years it would be a lot higher in price then the one we currently see.

Of course these stuff packs and expansions are all storyboarded out, the store probably is the only thing spontanious we'll see, but this doesn't mean we can't listen to fans. EA would do well to listen because it mean their sales. Now should the listen to just the ones online no. However if sale numbers aren't boosting to the numbers they want then they have to figure out what info is best. So that is what forums are for. Both negative and postive feedback create door ways for testing for EA games to see what their consumers like and don't like. Generally if they see a lot of outrage here and that reflects in their sales then yes they are going to pay attention and listen.

Though in my opinion an idea like this isn't a bad idea, much like the people of this forum have said. The theme is not bad it's the implementing of the theme that is the problem. There isn't content for a variety of player types and they want to have more use out of the stuff pack then just a candy land. That is understandable, and it's just business. Customers see a price hike they want a better value for their dollar. In this case they felt the candy theme should be used for practical use in the game. Ea didn't play upon that and this was the result.

Meh but all is not lost, later down the road maybe in an expansion they may open up restaurant themes and open venue items perhaps a stuff pack like this will then become popular.