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CK213


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Yeah, but this particular pack seems to be really pushing it. It's very niche for even a stuff pack and it's taken even further by being guided by the taste of a quirky celebrity. And even if more simmers actually like the content, it's so bizarre and to the left of what is normal for The Sims 3, it's just something you won't use on a regular basis. I can see the objections to it. I also can see why other would like it, if they feel they are missing that bizarreness.

Fast Lane was niche too, but it didn't have Chip Foose selling it with Foosian type cars.


I wouldn't have mind that at all actually.
Others probably would mind.

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To me it's about providing variety in the stuff pack. Where this went wrong is saying stuff packs only have stuff. No they don't and i dont' know why sims 3 adapted that point of view. That is false stuff packs can also provide not only remeshes but new objects that provide gameplay. They've done so manytimes with sims 2 stuff packs.

So as I said generally speaking fans i think are getting restless because the themes ofthe stuff packs get frustrating when they are not complete. What we mean buy complete is clothing for all ages, both male and female. Items that fit the theme, however if you are going to go outside the generic them than add items that different type of players can use. We would not even be arguing wether this stuff pack was worth the buy if they had put in the game 3 registers types for open venues that allowed the purchase of candy, icecream, and a bakery. This wouldn't be a discusion because both unrealistic players and realistic players can find a use for it. If that's the case it's not the theme that's the problem it's how complete the concept is of that theme.

To me no developer should ever put a limitation like that on any of their games because as I said before where they could have really sold this expansion they ended up selling themselves short. I'm sorry but pull some of those departments together and help you get the work done otherwise no matter how you spin it if this stuff pack doesn't sell well it'sa huge waste of money on their part. So you ensure it sells simple as that. I'm sorry but i don't see all 10mil sim fans excited for this stuff pack at all because it was missing those key items.

I do not think they should be so quick to just right them off because they feel that way. I think this time they should listen to the fans on what they're saying and use between now and to june to do something that bridges that gap between players and this stuff pack.

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GenuineGem wrote:
Hi there, fellow Simmers

I too am a long time Simmer. In fact I've been playing the games for a decade, so when I share my opinion please know that it is indeed an informed opinion and not one based off the fact that I don't find donut-bras appealing.

EA's Sims franchise is not transparent. We don't know how they formulate the Stuff Packs they do or why for that matter, but they obviously thought that The Sims needed some form of celebrity endorsement.
Endorsement isn't SUPPOSED to please current customers, it's there to help encourage a wider audience.
That's why we love Sims, right? Anyone can play it. And even though EA is treading on some of our toes with this whole "candy fun-land" idea, and reincarnating LN in ST but with more features etc., there are people out there who like it, or even who love it the same way we loved LN or Pets (which I personally do not like). People are different! Embrace other's uniquenessness(ness? ness ness ness )

The way I see it, EA TRUSTS their loyal customers enough to take a risk, which I love! We may not know how fruitful that risk is as of yet, but on June 5th, who knows how many new Simmers will be joining the Simming community because of the fact that the game appealed to them? Yes, this SP might not be everyone's cup of tea (it most certainly isn't mine) but sometimes companies or even people for that matter have to take risks.

All I'm saying is that even if this SP is a fluke, EA wanted to try something new, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. We as Simmers (especially us Old-Timers) should know by now that not every expansion/stuff pack is a great idea to everyone. I mean, remember H&M? IKEA? Those were great endorsements! People complained about the commercialism and unoriginality of it all but before those stuff packs I didn't even know who H&M and IKEA were! Different strokes for different folks.

So the advice I can give to us all is to be patient. We don't have to buy this NOW. Wait for when it's in a sale bin, or something! I myself for the first time ever am having to actually think about whether I want this or not, so don't think I'm some pro-Katy Perry Sweet Treats crazy fan, just a fan of a franchise who has done a lot for me through the tiniest ways, from making me laugh when my I first discovered that in S3 you could Shower... DANGEROUSLY ( ) to when I was going through such a tough time that the only thing I felt comfortable around were my Sims.

EA knows WE don't like it, but who says THEY won't?
Besides, they're not stupid, they've seen what we want, and personally I am rooting for a University EP so badly that I'd probably send gifts and fruit baskets to EA's offices in the Northern hemisphere if (/WHEN ) they decide that University is a viable EP idea that they would be willing to recreate it.

That's just my opinion, I hope that this appealed to both the believers as well as non-believers Haha, have a good evening/morning/afternoon, everyone!

xx GG


GenuineGem thank you for such a clear, concise and considered post.
I have to say I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I am thankful that this SP does not appeal to me at all which means my wallet gets a well earned rest.

regards

Starby

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Very nice post OP. I agree with your points and with Jean about everyone flipping out.. people are flipping out so much that I'm flipping out over their flipping out. EESH! Which is so not like me. I need a sweet treat to chill me out. bahaha ok yeah that was lame anyway!

I think Jean has a really good point about this stuff pack filling out a corner of the game for those who are young at heart, and about allowing people to play in their own way and style.

Great thread, and thoughtful people. I'll take that patience advice.

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jeanamariex3 wrote:I agree with everything the OP says. Everyone is flipping out about the price, and the content, and acting like the people who WANT it and think it's smart is patronizing those who DON'T want it.

Sims is about BEING DIFFERENT! Playing YOUR STYLE! I love Pets, but the next person doesn't that's okay. I won't stab you for it. And EA is smart. They took someone who was involved before, and obviously plays like the rest of us. I like the fun trendy clothes at H&M and loved them forever. So I'm drawn toward the SP because of it. Others don't.

If this were 1997-98, we would have the Spice Girls. Why? Because the Spice Girls were HUGE! They had unique hairstyles and memorable outfits. (Ginger's outfits weren't even CLOSE to today's standards), they had catchy songs. I would be begging mom for this as a Christmas gift in 97 through 98!

If EA wasn't smart, and was trying to attract ONLY young tweens/teens, they would be endorsing Hannah Montana, Justin Bieber, the Jonas Brothers, or Demi Lovato. I wouldn't be buying at all. Most of those sales will be TEENS with their babysitting funds, or their parents buying it for them.

Sims is not supposed to be REALISTIC. It's a life simulator, with bits of realism, but it's not suppose to be FULL ON! It's for teens and adults, not children learning how to make friends etc. I'm not big on cars, so I won't be buying Fast Lane unless I get it for free. But someone who likes cars would like it. The Stuff Pack has that perfect balance with what the game is about: realism, but with heavy unrealistic undertones.


Sims is supposed to have a balance between realism and fantasy, this is all fantasy.

Something I have to bring up that i saw in the OP is that I still don't get why people see Showtime as LN2. side from a few small features, there is nothing similar about them.

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Starbucaneer wrote:
GenuineGem thank you for such a clear, concise and considered post.
I have to say I agree with you wholeheartedly.
I am thankful that this SP does not appeal to me at all which means my wallet gets a well earned rest.

regards

Starby


Thank you very much, Starby for such a wonderful comment! Haha, I have to agree; I'm sure that in 6 or so months it's value will have depreciated to which I will then purchase it Until then, my wallet takes a break as well

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Callum9432 wrote:
jeanamariex3 wrote:I agree with everything the OP says. Everyone is flipping out about the price, and the content, and acting like the people who WANT it and think it's smart is patronizing those who DON'T want it.

Sims is about BEING DIFFERENT! Playing YOUR STYLE! I love Pets, but the next person doesn't that's okay. I won't stab you for it. And EA is smart. They took someone who was involved before, and obviously plays like the rest of us. I like the fun trendy clothes at H&M and loved them forever. So I'm drawn toward the SP because of it. Others don't.

If this were 1997-98, we would have the Spice Girls. Why? Because the Spice Girls were HUGE! They had unique hairstyles and memorable outfits. (Ginger's outfits weren't even CLOSE to today's standards), they had catchy songs. I would be begging mom for this as a Christmas gift in 97 through 98!

If EA wasn't smart, and was trying to attract ONLY young tweens/teens, they would be endorsing Hannah Montana, Justin Bieber, the Jonas Brothers, or Demi Lovato. I wouldn't be buying at all. Most of those sales will be TEENS with their babysitting funds, or their parents buying it for them.

Sims is not supposed to be REALISTIC. It's a life simulator, with bits of realism, but it's not suppose to be FULL ON! It's for teens and adults, not children learning how to make friends etc. I'm not big on cars, so I won't be buying Fast Lane unless I get it for free. But someone who likes cars would like it. The Stuff Pack has that perfect balance with what the game is about: realism, but with heavy unrealistic undertones.


Sims is supposed to have a balance between realism and fantasy, this is all fantasy.

Something I have to bring up that i saw in the OP is that I still don't get why people see Showtime as LN2. side from a few small features, there is nothing similar about them.


Yeah, but this SP being mostly fantasy is balancing out those other stuff packs that are very to all realistic like OL, TL, FL etc.

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I could care less about the direction that they are going. I don't play the Sims anymore. Fast lane stuff jacked up my launcher so now I can't play. Plus I don't have the space to play.
The price is larger because you get more crap with it.

I agree with everything the OP says. Everyone is flipping out about the price, and the content, and acting like the people who WANT it and think it's smart is patronizing those who DON'T want it.

^SO TRUE^
It's like in this community you have to agree with the people who hate the SP in order to be liked around here. They throw "Stop trolling" and "your being rude" at you even though your not. And the most famous one "Get out of my thread."
Like wt?

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DebbieGC wrote:If you listen to/watch the live chat they said this SP has way more items, clothes, hair styles, etc. than a regular stuff pack. That's why it also has a higher price tag.

Exactly. People aren't thinking about why it is that price their more complaining about the fact that Katy Perry is on the label.

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wizplace wrote:I could care less about the direction that they are going. I don't play the Sims anymore. Fast lane stuff jacked up my launcher so now I can't play. Plus I don't have the space to play.
The price is larger because you get more crap with it.

I agree with everything the OP says. Everyone is flipping out about the price, and the content, and acting like the people who WANT it and think it's smart is patronizing those who DON'T want it.

^SO TRUE^
It's like in this community you have to agree with the people who hate the SP in order to be liked around here. They throw "Stop trolling" and "your being rude" at you even though your not. And the most famous one "Get out of my thread."
Like wt?


My condolences to your game and lack of hard disk space! I understand what you mean with the community. It seems like the most diverse game in history is supposed to have an undiverse audience. Which it most certainly is not! This forum needs to adopt some of the courtesies that TS1 and TS2 forums held, and I want to help implement said courtesies, one post at a time

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wizplace wrote:
DebbieGC wrote:If you listen to/watch the live chat they said this SP has way more items, clothes, hair styles, etc. than a regular stuff pack. That's why it also has a higher price tag.

Exactly. People aren't thinking about why it is that price their more complaining about the fact that Katy Perry is on the label.


I could care less that Katy Perry is on the label. Everybody has to earn a living. Obviously she's getting something out of being associated with EA, else she wouldn't bother. It has NOTHING to do with it having more items either. That's called spin/damage control because ppl are freaking out about the price.

Other EP's have had the 70 odd items that this one appears to have and haven't been £24.99, only the regular price. The one difference, the ONLY difference is it has Katy Perry's endorsement. Believe me, I and others are NOT reassured by the "tons" of extra's.

It's not like EA haven't exaggerated, bent the truth or outright lied before now.

ETA: Wiz, you can play without touching your launcher, so you know.

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Arletta wrote:
wizplace wrote:
DebbieGC wrote:If you listen to/watch the live chat they said this SP has way more items, clothes, hair styles, etc. than a regular stuff pack. That's why it also has a higher price tag.

Exactly. People aren't thinking about why it is that price their more complaining about the fact that Katy Perry is on the label.


I could care less that Katy Perry is on the label. Everybody has to earn a living. Obviously she's getting something out of being associated with EA, else she wouldn't bother. It has NOTHING to do with it having more items either. That's called spin/damage control because ppl are freaking out about the price.

Other EP's have had the 70 odd items that this one appears to have and haven't been £24.99, only the regular price. The one difference, the ONLY difference is it has Katy Perry's endorsement. Believe me, I and others are NOT reassured by the "tons" of extra's.

It's not like EA haven't exaggerated, bent the truth or outright lied before now.

ETA: Wiz, you can play without touching your launcher, so you know.


Quoted in truth, the the even tried to spin un on the community lots. They aren't open venues nor are they brand new types of venue we have this stuff in our games now.

What fans are looking for is more than just remeshes of stuff into different themes. I don't care that katy perry endorsed it either. I care that they decided to hike it up 10 dollars which puts it darn near the price of a expansion. Than for eu players it costs the same as an expansion.

I certainly don't like the tone of which the interview was done when we ask about things that are not in the stuff pack. If all your answer can be is we have dozens of more items in a stuff pack that's why it's a mega pack you have not done damage control at all, you have caused more damage. If your going to do a live chat come prepared point blank or postpone it. Don't give half done live chats, with half done information that make people frustrated as is.

You know ahead of time to find out how many items are in the pack and im sorry patterns and wallpaper don't count as items to be sold for. You find that number and you tell your fanbase. Don't even try to say that 10 dollar hike is because of the added things be honest it's because Katy Perry name is stamped on the box. That's fine I rather be told for what it is than what it clearly is not.

If they were going to charge near expansion prices then they should have put content that was near expansion quality it's as simple as that.

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GenuineGem wrote:
wizplace wrote:I could care less about the direction that they are going. I don't play the Sims anymore. Fast lane stuff jacked up my launcher so now I can't play. Plus I don't have the space to play.
The price is larger because you get more crap with it.

I agree with everything the OP says. Everyone is flipping out about the price, and the content, and acting like the people who WANT it and think it's smart is patronizing those who DON'T want it.

^SO TRUE^
It's like in this community you have to agree with the people who hate the SP in order to be liked around here. They throw "Stop trolling" and "your being rude" at you even though your not. And the most famous one "Get out of my thread."
Like wt?


My condolences to your game and lack of hard disk space! I understand what you mean with the community. It seems like the most diverse game in history is supposed to have an undiverse audience. Which it most certainly is not! This forum needs to adopt some of the courtesies that TS1 and TS2 forums held, and I want to help implement said courtesies, one post at a time


Also let me point out a diverse game is suppose to offer more than one playstyle per expansion/stuffpack. Not alienate an entire playing style for the sake of another. So what you haven't picked up on is the fans asking for that diverseness to be put into the game so both sides can be happy, not just one. This version of sims has been missing that a lot. You don't have just one type player playing this game and you better believe if you want good sales you find away to put something in the game that provides play for everyone.

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wizplace wrote:
DebbieGC wrote:If you listen to/watch the live chat they said this SP has way more items, clothes, hair styles, etc. than a regular stuff pack. That's why it also has a higher price tag.

Exactly. People aren't thinking about why it is that price their more complaining about the fact that Katy Perry is on the label.



So far you are buying into the excuse EA is giving you for the price. First, ask yourself why the KPC version of Showtime was $10 more then the regular version? Was the KP and a few pieces of her stuff really $10 dollars worth along with a notebook sized poster? If so why are they now saying that 'dozens and dozen' of extra things are worth $10.

And lots of new hairs? 5 total - which is what Jennifer says. That's not 'ton' if you ask me. ANd when they go with cheap and easy for fillers to make a 'dozen' more is it really worth $10 dollars more? Wallpaper? Community lots? Clothing that only differs because the candy was switched out for a cupcake? Recoloring the cushions of a chair in the game and selling it as 'cotton candy cushions? I am sorry but $10 dollars more for wallpaper I can make myself and calling it 'pool tiles' like it was some new special building thing is not worth an extra $10.

Do you really think KP is giving away time and her music for free to this SP or did she for KPC ST? Hardly. She is doing it for money. She gets paid for every SP sold and EA is not stupid - they don't want to pay her out of their profit so they tack it on for us to pay. Thankfully for the EP, those of us that could care less about KP cold opt out but with the SP she has a great money making deal - we can't opt out of KP except not to buy the SP.

ANd this is not about hating KP or even liking her, if you really read the posts. This is about the cost, and the story (of dozens of extra content) built around the cost that appears to not be true; the way KP is being forced on those that don't want her but would have to pay extra because she is there; the hype in the beginning about KP being an avid player which died quickly and changed to 'has collaborated with us for a long time' when people could point to her MTV and other interviews about how little about sims she knows - but EA tried to sell it that way; that this is an SP with a tight 'niche' for a theme and they have time but won't consider even adapting a register to make the sweet shop theme usable. And saying they cannot adapt the register because that is for EP's only when they have adapted the fireworks in the same way. Its not hating KP, its hating the idea of a thrown together SP to build around KP, charging extra and throwing in extras that don't cost anything (if you make them yourself which you can) just to try and please those not want to pay extra for the endorsement.



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wizplace wrote:I could care less about the direction that they are going. I don't play the Sims anymore. Fast lane stuff jacked up my launcher so now I can't play. Plus I don't have the space to play.
The price is larger because you get more crap with it.

I agree with everything the OP says. Everyone is flipping out about the price, and the content, and acting like the people who WANT it and think it's smart is patronizing those who DON'T want it.

^SO TRUE^
It's like in this community you have to agree with the people who hate the SP in order to be liked around here. They throw "Stop trolling" and "your being rude" at you even though your not. And the most famous one "Get out of my thread."
Like wt?


There are just as many 'positive about the SP' being snarly and rude and patronizing to those who don't want it or who think it needs some changes as their are as you complain. Nothing here is all one sided, and when it comes to rude there is plenty on both sides. No side has the right to complain that the other side is mistreating them when their 'side' is doing the same thing.

I realize that one side or the other is often in the minority and feels put upon by the other and that sometimes its easy to get defensive but to say those that don't like the SP are being rude to those that do, and ignoring how many that like the SP are being rude to those that don't is very short sighted. Of course to direct topics in that direction does mean you don't have to deal with the realities of whats being said about the issue.



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