Anavastia wrote:Generally it's a year to a year and a half for expansions. Stuff packs don't take much time at all as again their remeshes the coding for them are already in game. So we're talking a about developement that takes about 6 months to maybe 4 months time. I'm going to bet majority of time is spent on expansions. I can tell you now if an expansion was to every take longer than 2 years it would be a lot higher in price then the one we currently see.

Of course these stuff packs and expansions are all storyboarded out, the store probably is the only thing spontanious we'll see, but this doesn't mean we can't listen to fans.

Just snipping the top part to comment here.

The TSR folks and anyone else in the community-at-large who builds does not have to follow the same design flow that EA does, for better or worse. The store content does indeed get to follow a more rapid deployment system, and it's often a smaller chunk of content, or content that is likely to need less testing (whatever EA has that *does* pass for testing).

I'm pretty sure that EA is still stuck with a standard/traditional/modified waterfall development process for their EPs -- so they certainly will take the 14-18 months from sign-off on the theme to delivery.

Prediscovery/Discovery -> Requirements -> Development -> Testing -> Deployment -> Maintenance

Depending on the particular project, well ... deployment and development are generally the shortest phases in my experience.

Throw into this fact that they rely on offshore development with onshore expertise and you are adding time, even if they do overnight builds. It just adds up. And corporate overhead is a sad fact of the development process in, well, a corporation. Bureaucracy is bleh,

Product roadmaps are generatlly penciled in two years out, and budgeted a year in advance. Sure EA is a huge corporation, but again, I emphasize that even if you're in a money making division, the goal is *always* to do more with less in a company where wallstreet is involved.

And even if a developer were to spend all weekend of his or her own time building something really cool for an EP it might not get incorporated because 1) they already might be working all weekend to get the EP out anyway, 2) there might not be adequate money budgeted to test the cool thing incorporating it into the EP.

And then marketing/EA would be in control of the price point/value/brand/roadmap, and it might get released to the store at some point anyway.

Honestly with the store, SPs that don't deliver new game functionality could be done away with, IMO. The last few stuff packs don't seem to have enough "stuff" compared to some of the really nice store sets. I'd personally rather see a continuous stream of high quality store sets and more premium content than worry about the availability of something on a disc.

taffy87 wrote: Most of the clothes are just trashy, and the only person in my home that likes the furniture is my four year old daughter. I think this content was much better suited to the store.

Hey, now! "Trashy" is actually cute and unique to some degree. I would defiantly wear that cupcake bikini, in the real world. I think what others' find "trashy" I think it is cute. But then again, I have a nose stud, chunky highlights, and a lower back tattoo, and most of my style consists of loud Lady Gaga type of things with Hello Kitty and Leopard Prints, and I like potty mouth, offensive TV shows like Family Guy, South Park, Beavis and B.u.t.t.head, Jersey Shore, the old 2 1/2 Men (and anything Charlie Sheen related) and looking forward to Anger Management. People think Nicki Minaj is trashy, but I think her style is cute too. The "trashiness" (as most people say), take off the plastic, fake Barbie edge. (But I like rap music, the "degrading" lyrics don't bother me, because the beat is distracting and great. I think the history behind it is fascinating). I'm an olive skinned brunette. So sometimes "trashy" to some, takes the plastic fake edge off to me.

Trashy is orange tans, showing way too much skin, (that means Daisy Dukes plus a low cut, belly shirt, without a childish flair), and Paris Hilton extensions. Trashy is Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, Amber and Jenelle from Teen Mom, and Angelina from the Jersey Shore. I don't see any trash on this SP.

Bottom line, saying something is trashy is very subjective.

I would rather buy a SP called hobo life
SERIOUSLY, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WILL BUY THIS IS 20 YEAR OLD WOMEN AND COLLECTORS. Sometimes the ordinary is the best CLP

mattgstl wrote:I would rather buy a SP called hobo life
SERIOUSLY, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WILL BUY THIS IS 20 YEAR OLD WOMEN AND COLLECTORS. Sometimes the ordinary is the best CLP

We have plenty "ordinary". I'm going to indulge just this once: it's one SP, get over it. If it's not your thing, wait for the next one. They will be back to "ordinary", if the Diesel thing is true.

piddlesim wrote:

happyjme wrote:It seems to me that it would really suit EA better to start taking actual votes on specific EPs, SPs and store items before even starting to work on them. Maybe they'll actually get an idea of what the majority or simmers want.

The good thing about this is that there is no bad or unwanted surprises.

The bad thing is that would be no supprises at all, even good ones.

You do realize that it takes years to make an expansion pack. It takes at least a 14+ months to make a stuff pack. This isn't coming from me, this is coming straight from EA.

Things that are coming out now have been worked on for at least 2 years. Taking a poll about what what should be released is not going to work. Not unless you want to wait 2 years for every expansion pack.

source please ? it doesnt take years to make a ep do you know what your saying ? you mean to try to tell me when they were working with sims 1 they had sims 3 all planned sorry but very ignorant seen
once again id loved to see that source

mattgstl wrote:I would rather buy a SP called hobo life
SERIOUSLY, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WILL BUY THIS IS 20 YEAR OLD WOMEN AND COLLECTORS. Sometimes the ordinary is the best CLP

I agree with AllSpice. Every EP/SP you get has lower cost/hobo items somewhere. Please be nicer when expressing your opinion, I understand, and respect everyone's opinion, but this is what I'm talking about when I say people are rude. It's not what's said it's how it's said. Your post is stereotyping and insulting a person.

CLP has his opinion you have yours.

GaMomo wrote:Ok, I refuse to believe that it would take 14months to make a stuff pack which is nothing but a re-mesh of a few items and some buildings that we could have done ourselves. I've seen CC creators ( some from EA's buddy site T$R) re mesh stuff in 2 days. So for them to be working on a team I would except a month or 2, not 14+.

LMFAO! And you wonder why people have such a problem with TSR! Their 2 days work meshes are all poorly done, yet they still expect me to pay for them. I'm sorry but no self-respecting SimGuru, would ever consider TSR a good website.

I'm not saying that their stuff is the best of quality ( cause it's not and I tend to stay away) I was just using them as an example. I've seen plenty of artists outside of them do way better and cost nothing. once again just an example.

jeanamariex3 wrote:

taffy87 wrote: Most of the clothes are just trashy, and the only person in my home that likes the furniture is my four year old daughter. I think this content was much better suited to the store.

Trashy is orange tans, showing way too much skin, (that means Daisy Dukes plus a low cut, belly shirt, without a childish flair), and Paris Hilton extensions. Trashy is Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, Amber and Jenelle from Teen Mom, and Angelina from the Jersey Shore. I don't see any trash on this SP.

Bottom line, saying something is trashy is very subjective.

I gotta agree, those are all trashy. And earlier, I did change the "trashy" to tacky. But yes, it's definately subjective.
And I've got four tattoos, but I would NEVER wear the cupcake bikini.

I would wear the cupcake bikini. It's cute.

jeanamariex3 wrote:

GaMomo wrote:Ok, I refuse to believe that it would take 14months to make a stuff pack which is nothing but a re-mesh of a few items and some buildings that we could have done ourselves. I've seen CC creators ( some from EA's buddy site T$R) re mesh stuff in 2 days. So for them to be working on a team I would except a month or 2, not 14+.

LMFAO! And you wonder why people have such a problem with TSR! Their 2 days work meshes are all poorly done, yet they still expect me to pay for them. I'm sorry but no self-respecting SimGuru, would ever consider TSR a good website.

hmmm thats funny i have NEVER had probs with TSR i love it.
its shaymoo or however you say it that i've had problems with

mattgstl wrote:I would rather buy a SP called hobo life
SERIOUSLY, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WILL BUY THIS IS 20 YEAR OLD WOMEN AND COLLECTORS. Sometimes the ordinary is the best CLP

Hey, now, I'm a woman in my 20s and this in no way appeals to me. Be careful where you're painting with that broad brush. Just because I'm fairly young and female doesn't mean that candy land appeals to me. A LOT of the outfits in this SP are downright creepy to me. They're overly sexual and infantilizing at the same time. It's kind of gross.

I like Katy Perry and her music, but i'm not too thrilled about this SP, but even if I don't really like it, I don't have to dress my sims in those outfits or use any of the furniture.

mangoesandlimes wrote:

mattgstl wrote:I would rather buy a SP called hobo life
SERIOUSLY, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO WILL BUY THIS IS 20 YEAR OLD WOMEN AND COLLECTORS. Sometimes the ordinary is the best CLP

Hey, now, I'm a woman in my 20s and this in no way appeals to me. Be careful where you're painting with that broad brush. Just because I'm fairly young and female doesn't mean that candy land appeals to me. A LOT of the outfits in this SP are downright creepy to me. They're overly sexual and infantilizing at the same time. It's kind of gross.

I can agree. He's stereotyping. I don't think the outfits are overly sexual though. The candyland theme tones it down. Like I said, to each of their own, right? And I would wear that "sexual" looking clothing if I could.

kristenwoods wrote:rally? trashy?no. i will not buy it bcause shes in it, but some of the clothes are really cute, so i like the clothes, they just dont need cupcakes.

Katy Perry isn't in this sp. You have to download her sim from the exchange if you want her in it.