Tbh it probably won't be long (even if it's sims 4 which i'm sure is already in development) before we HAVE to be connected to the internet to play le sigh. Cloud gaming and everything is amazing and good but wi-fi hasn't gone far enough yet for it to be easy as pie.

Jarsie9 wrote:What I don't get is why AznSensei just about goes batty whenever I talk about leaving the franchise because I don't like the social networking aspects and the change of direction the game is taking. Am I the only one to notice that the more I talk about leaving, the more he tries to convince me that I'm wrong; that I should give Showtime a chance?

I mean, he acts like it's no big deal; just give EA their money, buy their game, and quit whining about the features you don't want; you can just ignore them...EA said it wouldn't affect their gameplay. Well, EA lies, but that's beside the point. Don't want it, don't need it...ain't buying it. Or anything else that follows Showtime, because why should I spend money buying a game where I have to ignore or opt out of gameplay because I'm a private player?

Why is that so hard for you to accept? Don't tell me that you're one of thoe people who just likes to argue until he gets his "opponent" to capitulate and change their mind. Is that it? Are you honestly waiting for me to say, Oh you're right and I'm wrong?

Because that'll never happen. EA's lost me as a customer. Deal with it.

No this was the same impression that i got from him too. That every time a person says they're not buying it he strongly advocates for the ep. I find it hard to believe that he doesn't like the ep. Especially when he accuse people of whining and what not that to me is very misleading. Especially when he will come bashing people in a negative thread but won't do the same in a positive one. However this attitude is not something i haven't gone through. I've felt this way about generations and it's gameplay. I disliked it a lot because of the lack of content and many of the other ep's. I feel the game is changing and i don't like the shape it's taking. I don't like we are paying more for less. I am just not liking the direction it's taking all together.

I do want sims to advance however not advance to an online game. I want it to advance in graphics and gameplay. I just don't see social network being good for sims sales. >.< Its odd that back to back these kinds of things are being implemented into the game. Normally if sales are dropping you go back to what works and start over and try to advanced forward. This series has been charging foward into a mind field and not looking even a glance back. I don't get it at all. Wouldn't you in the very least if you were developing a game say this isn't working sales aren't increasing we're losing fans. We need to go back to the drawing board.

Anavastia wrote:

"Normally if sales are dropping you go back to what works and start over and try to advanced forward."

*

I agree with this!

EA has made a mess of this series, and instead of trying to clean up the mess; they just keep adding more messes!

AznSensei wrote:We have no pictures nor evidence of how the interface will change at all. Wait until more information or screenshots are made before you make assumptions, much like your assumptions of being spammed with facebook constantly and I guess EA's play to shove facebook down our throats

Hardly an assumption, the interface will have to change to accomodate the new "social functions"

Jarsie9 wrote:What I don't get is why AznSensei just about goes batty whenever I talk about leaving the franchise because I don't like the social networking aspects and the change of direction the game is taking. Am I the only one to notice that the more I talk about leaving, the more he tries to convince me that I'm wrong; that I should give Showtime a chance?

I mean, he acts like it's no big deal; just give EA their money, buy their game, and quit whining about the features you don't want; you can just ignore them...EA said it wouldn't affect their gameplay. Well, EA lies, but that's beside the point. Don't want it, don't need it...ain't buying it. Or anything else that follows Showtime, because why should I spend money buying a game where I have to ignore or opt out of gameplay because I'm a private player?

Why is that so hard for you to accept? Don't tell me that you're one of thoe people who just likes to argue until he gets his "opponent" to capitulate and change their mind. Is that it? Are you honestly waiting for me to say, Oh you're right and I'm wrong?

Because that'll never happen. EA's lost me as a customer. Deal with it.

I was waiting for somebody else to notice and did try and take him to task about it. However, my temper got in the way of trying to post logically and I couldn't be bothered with carrying on to try and get my point across.

Perhaps he's afraid that if not enough ppl fall for the whole "It'll all be ok" sticky that EA will ditch the series.

Let me breakdown the entire time we have been arguing. I'm going to agree it's pointless and we have our opinions and disagreements, but before you both give me a lecture telling me to be more respectful. I posted in disrespect to begin with because honestly you guys won't give respect "PERIOD" regardless if I post something respectable or not.

I'm not going to lie, I don't know whether to "enjoy" or "dislike" these rebuttals and arguments, but I cannot honestly comprehend why I even post these things and spend my time posting rather than playing the game. But whatever works. I'm not going to ask for a truce, nor am I going to ask for forgiveness or apologies. If anything I want to point stuff out before this argument gets into stupid matters and we fight over the smallest and idiotic parts of this EP.

Taking note, this is all happening in a matter of "FOUR" that's right "four" days.

First thread I created that started this whole argument.

http://forum.thesims3.com/jforum/posts/list/473320.page

The freaking out of simport feature. Ya I sounded immature, but honestly the whole point of that thread to begin with was to point this out: Do we know more about this feature? Why rant if we know nothing about it and choose to rant, if anything wait until more information is released.

Anavastia's first post: This first comment was about viruses, hacking, and bugged custom content. Pointed out "What's funny is you think most of the items will be replaced." And argued about that.

My counter argument in a "polite" matter which I hope she reads, but alas not everything I posted was not polite:

Taking care of your game, taking care of your computer prevents many things. Pointed out the exchange "replaces" some content not all, but pointed a speculation that EA "may" expand on custom content and replace them. Alas, the exchange is not perfect one bit.

Moving on, we talked more about trust issues, etc. I enjoyed the conversation and I learned a few things and gave a few information (got off-topic honestly which I noticed). Almost all the time I made points saying EA hasn't given us information and I may be off, but waiting for more before I use more in my arguments.

Pointed out the following:
- SimPort stated to be limited to performances only
- Pointed out that I will vent and put my frustrations "AFTER" I know a lot more information (before EA created the sticky).

Jarsie comes in first post towards me:
I bet you 1st simmer will be AznSensei from the rants. Respectful much? I think you should look into that matter as you approach me in a disrespectful manner to begin with.

Adding on, more immature comment from Avanastia:

Jarsie9 wrote:
I'll bet 100 simoleans that the first rant post on here after Showtime releases will be either AznSensei or Pegasus after they've tried the new online features, and it's backfired on them spectacularly, or causes their game to crash.

Any takers?


I'm betting they'll be the loudes shouters thats for sure. EA fix your crap!!!! I can't believe you released this like this!!!! You owe me blah blah blah!!!!

Speculation on security:

As i said huge speculations on your part, what if's don't promote security. You still haven't proven nor conviced me this feature in anyway designed by ea will be safe. Why you haven't presented anything that is factual yet.

I pointed out that you said sims social not the game which caused my argument, and you messed up your words accidently which is fine. We stopped that part. I pointed out that you have speculated also and did not give me evidence about security (which in the end EA cleared that up).

Name calling from Jarsie9, 2nd post:

"FANBOY"

If anything, this whole argument is from both parties, don't be shoving everything on me saying I'm disrespectful. Both parties are involved in disrespecting and also misunderstatements. However I pointed out your information through what you said to me and based it "SOLELY" on that.

Yes I spent my time and being serious about this as honestly this is growing childish and getting old. You both claim I've been disrespectful from the beginning, you both came off disrespectful yourselves, at least admit to that. I don't want to act or try to control the forums, if anything at least put a perspective in people's eyes to wait for information and to not go off tangents and go from talking about social features in the EP into something as a whole, which is entirely different.

If anything, I'm not going to call you out calling you bullies or anything. You are entitled to your opinion as am I, but there would be no discussion if you post an opinion and no one else agrees/disagrees. If anything. There is way too many topics that we disagree and we create arguments over "new topics" because we disagreed in the previous.

I swear I am typing too much and my proficiency (if that's the word). in creating sentences can be lacking, but I'm just posting that much so far. I lack vocabulary, if anything and I hope you don't judge me on that.

I don't know you, you guys don't know me. If anything I would prefer we settle this in a respectable matter as adults, but who am I kidding I'm just a college kid with a feeble brain in your eyes. I don't know the meaning of respect from mature adults and mothers like both of you.

If anything we have been arguing pretty much from the following stances:

Anavastia- Concern of your children playing the game and social networking is a know. Understandable as a parent wants to keep their children safe.

Jarsie9- Distaste towards social features in general and prefers to play without the use of them, even if they show up in the game as a patch you don't want that and not like the idea.

My stance- Ea giving us options, made speculations and points that certain features will be optional like any other game. Online features, stated they were optional and you can most likely turn them off. Pointed out, that ranting over something we know about does in fact seem meaningless and I pointed out that I myself wanted to post to assure that you both should know that there are things you can complain and not complain about, and making "conclusions" after the 1st day was indeed out of whack.

If anything, all I ever wanted to say throughout the entire time is to not make judgment calls into more information is given. I never once made judgment to "like" social features, nor did I show distaste towards them. If anything, I'm doing my best to be neutral until more information is given and honestly I'm going towards the side against you both because of how things are. If anything, things got confusing and I apologize for straying off my stance.

Both of you were offended most likely, as I was at the time when you both talked back and posted in a disrespectful manner, but honestly it's human nature and we will have disagreements.

If anything, there is too many topics we are discussing and obviously we all can't figure out who is taking whose stance and what our beliefs on this EP are. If anything, too many threads are being tracked and I can't keep up with this thread, and neither do both of you. We argue in different threads over concerns and if anything, all I ever wanted to post was just to wait and argue back saying "wait for information, do you have evidence they ARE implementing this and that, and see for yourself that it can be an option."

If anything, I came off rude and posted in a rude manner, but honestly I can't keep myself from posting and replying in a polite manner. Is it something that should affect me? Not really, as I question myself why I post. Is it my business? Not so much. Is it something I should try to convince to change your minds? Not really. If anything, all I ever wanted to post was to just say "Wait for more information, stop jumping to conclusions."

Ya it can come off rude with an attitude, but what better methods is there?

Sorry if I'm rambling on and if you guys ignore half of this stuff, I spent too much time making these posts rather than eating lunch, but that's just an excuse and personal stuff that I should/shouldn't have shared.

I do want to point out I enjoy arguing with you both, whether in a positive or negative like. Will it stop? Probably not, but honestly I am going to come off and say that this is derailing too much regardless and I hope you come to the conclusion that your posts yourselves can come across rude.

I wouldn't be surprised if you both say that because of how I posted was the main argument of how we argue now, but honestly all parties are at fault and I admit to that, I hope you do also.

Again, I'm rambling on and half of the stuff I may or may not be right off the bat on. Take that into consideration and hopefully you get the idea where I'm going at.

Let me ask you something do you expect someone to reply to you in respectful tone if you can't do that in the first place? Even when someone is trying to be respectful to you, you have gotten disrespectful. Because i don't share your same views doesn't give you the right to get angry or mad. As i said before it treated you in the same manner you treated me. Respect is earned in many cases, especially when i first came into the topic i replied to you with my opinions and don't see anything disrespectful about what i said. It wasn't until you started saying my opinion was a dumb argument, and accusing people of freaking out that you got the same respect from me that I've shown you.

Second, I think i've shown you quite a lot of respect given the fact how you have talked to me. Your tone of language does not suggest to me at all that you dislike this game. I feel strongly the misunderstanding is due to your part. Like I said you aren't the first person to come on this forum and bash people because you don't like what it is the say and you make a strong advocation for EA. Jarsie herself has been labeled a fangirl. I have never talked to her in that manner nor you. I tried very hard to be respectful to someone that choses to belittle me and insult me before even trying to understand what i say.

As far as my opinions of you being a college student with a feeble mind i think i will turn your logic back at you. Where in these past few days have I ever said anything like that to you. I didn't think so. What i am finding that no matter what i say you are taking it into a negative tone, even though it's my own opinions and views. What you find to be dumb to people, is what govern your attitude coming into this. Because you do not show respect in your thought process showed in how you speak to people. Yet at the same time you want to be treated with respect and you want to the complain threads to stop. That sounds like control to me.

If people do not like a feature in the game they have every right to voice that out before they give it a chance. Especially if that feature is going to cause them to not buy the game. For this feature there is no way around it it's incoporated into the game play. It's coming through a patch which means majority of simmers aren't escaping it. The only alternative they're going to have is to opt out and just not do the wants of their sims or uninstall Sims 3 all together. If that happens just how much money will this industry lose. Sims 3 could seriously be shut down if people think this a trend that will happen in all their ep's. People even think this will happen in sims 4 so there goes sales for that.

What you fail to understand is this, outrage is not a bad thing at all with a company. You may not like it but if it doesn't happen what do you think will occur? Say these people go to themselves im not buying that i don't want a social feature. The forums stay positive all over about it, what do they assume sales for this ep will be good. They go ahead and push it out, and what do they find sales were horrible. What happened, they saw no complaints. You know what that tells marketing people left the game and didn't care to even post anymore. However if we complain what does tht tell marketing. Money is still there, they care enough to say we don't like this change it or we aren't buying it. Now they have a choice to keep doing it and take the loss in sales. Or pull the project and take the feature out, reconsider their multiplayer feature. Frankily multiplayer games are fun regardless and sims doesn't have to offer a reward system as insentive for players to use it. No all they have to do is make a good game with good concepts and gameplay. People will utilize their sim port feature that want too. However barring content from the player for the soul purpose of creating incentive to use the feature is wrong. Is not the right thing to do, it's costing them.

I don't think this arguement is stupid at all. People have a fairly strong knowledge of what is going on. They do not like the change that sims 3 is making and it will either make or break this game. If you can't respect that then why make topics or post a reply. You honestly are not going to silence people and get them to think the same way you do, especially when there are many that don't agree with you. You aren't going to get them to understand what you are saying if you can't even approach them respectfully. Honestly it starts with you.

anavastia, that is what I was indicating, especially if you read what Origin says. Even with that feature shut off, the game is going to require an internet period, even if one chooses not to use that feature or the chat. So shut it off, but the pop ups are going to drive people nuts. Shut off the net and lose content.
(By the way I am replying to your post earlier to me, not your present discussion. hehehe I figured I should add that in case it doesn't make sense.)

From Origin:

Q: Is Origin required to play my game, even if I didn’t buy it on Origin?

A: Beginning in September of 2011, most new PC games from EA will benefit from the enhanced features provided by Origin integrated into the games. PC players will be required to log-in to Origin to play new EA games so you are getting the best possible experience with the full set of online features to connect and play with friends, get help when you need it and keep the game updated with the latest content. Whether you purchase the game on Origin.com, from another site for digital downloads, or at retail for physical discs, new games will require you to have the Origin to play. If you didn’t buy your game on Origin, Origin will be included in the installer for the game.


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As you see this is even already in affect in some of EA's games that have came out since September 11 of this year.

Has anyone even bothered to tell us of this little change - that Origin says the game will have to be connected because the minute you turn on Origin, it goes online. If you are not connected Origin tells you so.

No EA didn't tell us, and I had to search the Origins Q&A to even see this info. Wasn't exactly posted on the first page. Did any of you see the past months of Origin building the chat? Did we get informed from EA or their Origin people? No, they just did it.

It's like buying a car and someone from the company coming and switching your engine from using gas to using electricity - without telling you. Technically that would never happen, but you get my drift.

Frankily i will be butt hurt of the fact the sims industry isn't doing well. They've had a steady decrease in their sales. They've been making huge mistakes with the decisions in making this game. Sales for sims 3 all together have been going down further and further no matter if they make profit which is good that they do it they're numbers are still not rising. This may be kick in the pants that causes that plummet. They're sales for the store are even horrible, but mainly because of their ridiculous pricing. If they halved majority of those sets and things they'd see a huge increase in their store online sales.

Yet marketing isn't budging a bit, no they're trying these horrible gimmics and what not. Hard economic times isn't the time to swallow your pride, your game is in huge competition with others. You should be selling on it's uniqueness not trying to converge it to what is popular. It's stupid to do this anyway because the money is out ther for the traditional sims. It's only been when they started drifting from that tradition that sims sales have been dropping. Any business savvy person is going to say okay my fanbase isn't just ready for this kind of stuff yet. Honestly if i wanted to play a game like facebook i would have made an account and play the many free games on their. Why pay 40 dollars when i can play free. Same with changing the pc game to having less content to accomodate casual players. Why should i pay 40 dollars for a few hours of gameplay when i can pay 6 dollars for the same thing.

Another thought why should i pay 20 dollars for a set in the store, when i can divide that up and buy 2 new games that provide gameplay instead of dress up. Like i said people are waking up to this and they're tired of it. They've given EA lots of chances to get it together and they just aren't understanding or changing it around. I said throwing a starving dog a bone isn't going to curve his appetite. Pretty soon he's going to and find a new master. You think sims won't fall might i remind everyone they did this same bull crap with Sims Societies. Everyone of us simmers when we see these numerous threads have that one dread in us if people don't like it sims will fail. We know exactly why too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SimCity_Societies

The same reviewers that ea will pay to keep giving praises of their games. However majority of the honest reviewers have remained true about sims 3 it's lackluster spinoff of the sims series and needs dramatic improvements. Any time they try to dumb down the game they have always lost sales. It's a bad business move. You want to simplify something make your tutorials better, make your ai better, make your ui better. You don't remove gameplay to simplify the game that's bad, you adjust the gameplay so that it's smoother that's good. You don't charge more money for you game during harsh economic times, that's bad. Theres a freaking recession out there tottering into a depression. You think people are more likely to pay more. No they are not, they are going to expect what quality, with quantity. It's just been one bad business move after the next with this series.

Writin_Reg wrote:anavastia, that is what I was indicating, especially if you read what Origin says. Even with that feature shut off, the game is going to require an internet period, even if one chooses not to use that feature or the chat. So shut it off, but the pop ups are going to drive people nuts. Shut off the net and lose content.


From Origin:

Q: Is Origin required to play my game, even if I didn’t buy it on Origin?

A: Beginning in September of 2011, most new PC games from EA will benefit from the enhanced features provided by Origin integrated into the games. PC players will be required to log-in to Origin to play new EA games so you are getting the best possible experience with the full set of online features to connect and play with friends, get help when you need it and keep the game updated with the latest content. Whether you purchase the game on Origin.com, from another site for digital downloads, or at retail for physical discs, new games will require you to have the Origin to play. If you didn’t buy your game on Origin, Origin will be included in the installer for the game.


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As you see this is even already in affect in some of EA's games that have came out since September 11 of this year.

Has anyone even bothered to tell us of this little change - that Origin says the game will have to be connected because the minute you turn on Origin, it goes online. If you are not connected Origin tells you so.

No EA didn't tell us, and I had to search the Origins Q&A to even see this info. Wasn't exactly posted on the first page. Did any of you see the past months of Origin building the chat? Did we get informed from EA or their Origin people? No, they just did it.

It's like buying a car and someone from the company coming and switching your engine from using gas to using electricity - without telling you. Technically that would never happen, but you get my drift.

More like buying a car, and finding someone has installed a hidden camera. Do some research on origin. Find out why EA wanted people to opt out their right to a class action lawsuit. The program incringes on more than just your EA games. It incorporates itself into your other chat outlets too like skype, msn, etc. I believe it's purpose is to monitor and gather data about players and send it back to EA. I certainly do not like it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_(digital_distribution_platf
orm)

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Origin-EULA-PC-Gaming-Glorifie
d-Spyware-DRM,13285.html

My opinion they want to find if anyone is commint piracy. However the simple fact that most users will be signing onto this through origins account means they'll be monitering more than just if you game is legal. I'm betting they're going to be looking for your spending habbits.

ana, and add to that in this economy when people get laid off from their jobs or the company like my hubbies instead just cuts hours and days off their work week, one of the first thing people start letting go is cable or satelitte service and internet, as they are not necessities. We haven't had to do that so far but if we had kids to feed like most folks I know, that would have been long gone. But I could still be entertained with my game - but for how much longer?

Yeah, EA has been doing that actually since late in sims 2, but you used to be able to shut that off. Even early in sims 3 you could shut it off, but even shutting it off in options does NOT shut it off. My hubby ran a tracer even before Origin took over the duties of the EADM and that was still running. Even with Origin not even turned on it run the snooper and even when I blocked it, it was not blocked - my tracer found that out. Oh and speaking of tracers, if you run them once this program has complete control, it won't let you play your game until you remove the tracer. I happened to come across that little tidbit of info - don't recall if that was in the Q&A or the newest Eula's for Origin, but I did see that last night too. I wished I had copied it, but I had just gotten out of the shower and was reading as I dried my hair and went back to the bathroom to comb it out - totally forgetting to bookmark or copy the info. But it is there in the Origin info somewhere.

I guess if they can't tell you not to run snoopers to snoop on their snooper, they just jack your game so it won't start. Seems to me that should not be legal, but if it's indeed in the Eula, we actually agree to that so we can play the game. Sneaky way to play by their rules if you ask me, and tell me what I can or cannot have on MY computer when I play MY game. They should have no say once I plop down my forty bucks.


ETA - OMG! While I was posting the above my antivirus just popped up of an intruder. Origin was still on from me copying and pasting that info. It's started already. I just had to run my antivirus to clean it. I am going to go see what it came up with. Thanks EA. Thanks Origin. Only place I have been online at.


Well this is from Origin and Microsoft removes it.




Exploit:Java/CVE-2010-0840.LY
(?)

Encyclopedia entry
Published: Oct 04, 2011

Aliases
Not available

Alert Level(?)
Severe

Antimalware protection details
Microsoft recommends that you download the latest definitions to get protected.



Detection initially created:
Definition: 1.113.874.0
Released: Oct 04, 2011






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Summary

This threat is detected by the Microsoft antivirus engine. Technical details are not currently available for this threat.

Writin_Reg wrote:ana, and add to that in this economy when people get laid off from their jobs or the company like my hubbies instead just cuts hours and days off their work week, one of the first thing people start letting go is cable or satelitte service and internet, as they are not necessities. We haven't had to do that so far but if we had kids to feed like most folks I know, that would have been long gone. But I could still be entertained with my game - but for how much longer?

Probably by the time i estimated, when sims 4 or 5 comes around the corner Sims will be fully digital, you're going to find even the store will offer more content than the eps. In fact everything i said in that ideas and feedback letter started happening. Content that has gameplay value starts making it's way into the store. Your going to see simslish songs, and other gameplay make it's way there too. Eventually if the options of downloading combo packs of ep's or buying the features seperately will appear. I'm pretty sure what we'll start to see is we will purchase the base game. All the additional features we will see in the shop.

Like i said in my letter it's not that bad, if you could afford only 10 dollars as appose to 40 you are more liketly to buy something you really want from the ep if it's divided up. This boosts sales for sims regardless as it offers more options for people who do not have much money. However it will exclude those that lack the internet. This is more a businees stradegy, they did this with my local newspaper actually. What they did was pull the papers from the the outer counties focused the delivery routes in the innercity and pushed hard for the paper in the inner city. They made a fortune doing it. This is a very agressive marketing stradegy and i am sure it will work for sims as long as they understand the rules of give and take.

As long as 2 factors appear. 1. the game has to be worth while, the sudden lack of gameplay will hurt them with doing this agressive tatic. So increase gameplay or this shift in sims is worthless. 2. Pricing, you are not getting ready to cut off a huge number of sims users in the future, don't think by increasing sales you can make up for the differences. No you won't higher pricing will drive more simmers away. What needs to happen is a reduction and pricing and an increase in quantity of items. What i mean as in increase imean for their store online. Put more things in there at reduced pricing and you will make up for the loss of those with no net. However i feel strongly EA coporate greed is very strong, and you will see them hit hard by it. If they can get it under control the move may not be bad for sims at all. Infact people will be able to customize their game play to the level they want. It's much easier to get content out faster using this method, and the content is much easier to test how it functions as the game is designed to be flexiable.

Here is where console shift that copy comes in at. For those who do not have net where do you think EA will market your attention to. The console games of sims. We may very well see coby's desired shift there and beging to see ep's being produced for console. Especially now that consoles can hold more information. Since consoles do not have a net requirement you are going to see sales travel from there.

Writin_Reg wrote:anavastia, that is what I was indicating, especially if you read what Origin says. Even with that feature shut off, the game is going to require an internet period, even if one chooses not to use that feature or the chat. So shut it off, but the pop ups are going to drive people nuts. Shut off the net and lose content.
(By the way I am replying to your post earlier to me, not your present discussion. hehehe I figured I should add that in case it doesn't make sense.)

From Origin:

Q: Is Origin required to play my game, even if I didn’t buy it on Origin?

A: Beginning in September of 2011, most new PC games from EA will benefit from the enhanced features provided by Origin integrated into the games. PC players will be required to log-in to Origin to play new EA games so you are getting the best possible experience with the full set of online features to connect and play with friends, get help when you need it and keep the game updated with the latest content. Whether you purchase the game on Origin.com, from another site for digital downloads, or at retail for physical discs, new games will require you to have the Origin to play. If you didn’t buy your game on Origin, Origin will be included in the installer for the game.


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As you see this is even already in affect in some of EA's games that have came out since September 11 of this year.

Has anyone even bothered to tell us of this little change - that Origin says the game will have to be connected because the minute you turn on Origin, it goes online. If you are not connected Origin tells you so.

No EA didn't tell us, and I had to search the Origins Q&A to even see this info. Wasn't exactly posted on the first page. Did any of you see the past months of Origin building the chat? Did we get informed from EA or their Origin people? No, they just did it.

It's like buying a car and someone from the company coming and switching your engine from using gas to using electricity - without telling you. Technically that would never happen, but you get my drift.

I pointed out to somebody, can't remember who being hopeless with names, a day or two after the announcement of Showtime that EA spy on you. They really didn't believe me, and I wasn't going to go trawling round and about for proof.